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		By: Cristina		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cristina]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Surur: You are entitled to your opnoiin but not your ad hominem comments. OEMs are not a customer. They are partners. Although it may be different in some parts of the world, purchases of mobile phones directly from the manufacturer without a mobile phone contract in the US is virtually non-existent (small single digit percentage if that large). I agree with your point that most people buy WiMo phones as individuals. And, this is Microsoft&#039;s current problem. They do not consider these customers at all with regard to design. Look at Windows Mobile 6 and 6.1. The significant changes only mattered to people connecting to Exchange Servers. The other changes were minor. WiMo 6 was essentially Windows Mobile 5 Second Edition (and should have been named as such).Take a look around you. And, listen to non-techies ask questions of and make comments about phones. They invariably talk about Blackberrys and iPhones. There is no talk or visible purchase of Windows Mobile phones by non-techie consumers who want either a specific function to work well (push email) or ease of use.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surur: You are entitled to your opnoiin but not your ad hominem comments. OEMs are not a customer. They are partners. Although it may be different in some parts of the world, purchases of mobile phones directly from the manufacturer without a mobile phone contract in the US is virtually non-existent (small single digit percentage if that large). I agree with your point that most people buy WiMo phones as individuals. And, this is Microsoft&#8217;s current problem. They do not consider these customers at all with regard to design. Look at Windows Mobile 6 and 6.1. The significant changes only mattered to people connecting to Exchange Servers. The other changes were minor. WiMo 6 was essentially Windows Mobile 5 Second Edition (and should have been named as such).Take a look around you. And, listen to non-techies ask questions of and make comments about phones. They invariably talk about Blackberrys and iPhones. There is no talk or visible purchase of Windows Mobile phones by non-techie consumers who want either a specific function to work well (push email) or ease of use.</p>
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		By: Si Chen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Si Chen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 17:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.opensourcestrategies.com/2012/12/04/has-google-android-open-source-business-model-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1953&quot;&gt;biddy&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for taking the time to do all this research and share it with us.  

While the overall mobile search numbers are very high, there is definitely evidence that the Android users use the web less than iPhone/iPad users, especially to shop and otherwise generate revenue.  See http://visual.ly/mobile-traffic-statistics for example.  And Google should not be complacent that so much of its mobile search traffic is coming from major competitors like Apple or Amazon.

Please remember I&#039;m not saying that &quot;Google has failed.&quot;  The question I ask is &quot;Has Google Android&#039;s open source business model failed?&quot;   We&#039;ll have to see over time, most importantly by what Google does with Android vs the other hardware makers.

Thanks again for the feedback.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.opensourcestrategies.com/2012/12/04/has-google-android-open-source-business-model-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1953">biddy</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for taking the time to do all this research and share it with us.  </p>
<p>While the overall mobile search numbers are very high, there is definitely evidence that the Android users use the web less than iPhone/iPad users, especially to shop and otherwise generate revenue.  See <a href="http://visual.ly/mobile-traffic-statistics" rel="nofollow ugc">http://visual.ly/mobile-traffic-statistics</a> for example.  And Google should not be complacent that so much of its mobile search traffic is coming from major competitors like Apple or Amazon.</p>
<p>Please remember I&#8217;m not saying that &#8220;Google has failed.&#8221;  The question I ask is &#8220;Has Google Android&#8217;s open source business model failed?&#8221;   We&#8217;ll have to see over time, most importantly by what Google does with Android vs the other hardware makers.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the feedback.</p>
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		By: Amedar Consulting Group		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amedar Consulting Group]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 15:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like this post, enjoyed this one thanks  for posting .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this post, enjoyed this one thanks  for posting .</p>
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		By: biddy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[biddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Okay, here&#039;s a number: $8 billion. That&#039;s Google&#039;s mobile ad revenue so far this year. Last year at this time it was $2.5 billion. 

How about another number: $50 million. That&#039;s how much Google payed to acquire Android, Inc. in 2005. Do we need more numbers still?

How about $20 billion. That&#039;s how much ad revenue Google has brought in worldwide this year so far, more than the entire US print media combined. 

And one final number: 51%. Do you know what that number is for? The percentage of mobile phone web traffic that is driven by Android.

Let&#039;s review shall we? And I&#039;ll even give you some absurd assumptions to help out. We&#039;ll assume that while Google paid $50 million for Android, it was a black hole of money and Android cost them another $450 million in further costs to bring out, even though there is absolutely no evidence of this whatsoever (much like your claims of Google not generating web traffic!)

Total Android development cost: $500 million
Total Google mobile ad revenue in 2012: $8 billion

This is all of course acknowledging that Google mobile ad revenue is not coming just from Android devices, something you didn&#039;t address at all. Apple doesn&#039;t &quot;own&quot; traffic, even traffic that goes through Safari. What search engine do you think everyone is using on their iPhones and iPads? Last time I checked Apple makes exactly ZERO dollars through web traffic so how you are possibly construing web traffic and advertising numbers to be a losing game for Google but a winning game for Apple (who isn&#039;t even in that business) is beyond the realm of understanding of what was clearly many people who read this post.

Getting into hardware manufacturing has always been Google&#039;s goal, it&#039;s not some last desperate measure they have taken because Android hasn&#039;t worked out so far for them. Its success is one of many factors that allowed them to acquire Motorola Mobility for $12.5 billion.

http://www.businessinsider.com/googles-mobile-revenues-2012-10
http://www.statista.com/topics/1001/google/chart/709/google-s-ad-revenue-since-2004/
http://venturebeat.com/2012/10/17/android-smartphones-now-have-majority-mobile-web-traffic-share/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, here&#8217;s a number: $8 billion. That&#8217;s Google&#8217;s mobile ad revenue so far this year. Last year at this time it was $2.5 billion. </p>
<p>How about another number: $50 million. That&#8217;s how much Google payed to acquire Android, Inc. in 2005. Do we need more numbers still?</p>
<p>How about $20 billion. That&#8217;s how much ad revenue Google has brought in worldwide this year so far, more than the entire US print media combined. </p>
<p>And one final number: 51%. Do you know what that number is for? The percentage of mobile phone web traffic that is driven by Android.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s review shall we? And I&#8217;ll even give you some absurd assumptions to help out. We&#8217;ll assume that while Google paid $50 million for Android, it was a black hole of money and Android cost them another $450 million in further costs to bring out, even though there is absolutely no evidence of this whatsoever (much like your claims of Google not generating web traffic!)</p>
<p>Total Android development cost: $500 million<br />
Total Google mobile ad revenue in 2012: $8 billion</p>
<p>This is all of course acknowledging that Google mobile ad revenue is not coming just from Android devices, something you didn&#8217;t address at all. Apple doesn&#8217;t &#8220;own&#8221; traffic, even traffic that goes through Safari. What search engine do you think everyone is using on their iPhones and iPads? Last time I checked Apple makes exactly ZERO dollars through web traffic so how you are possibly construing web traffic and advertising numbers to be a losing game for Google but a winning game for Apple (who isn&#8217;t even in that business) is beyond the realm of understanding of what was clearly many people who read this post.</p>
<p>Getting into hardware manufacturing has always been Google&#8217;s goal, it&#8217;s not some last desperate measure they have taken because Android hasn&#8217;t worked out so far for them. Its success is one of many factors that allowed them to acquire Motorola Mobility for $12.5 billion.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessinsider.com/googles-mobile-revenues-2012-10" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.businessinsider.com/googles-mobile-revenues-2012-10</a><br />
<a href="http://www.statista.com/topics/1001/google/chart/709/google-s-ad-revenue-since-2004/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.statista.com/topics/1001/google/chart/709/google-s-ad-revenue-since-2004/</a><br />
<a href="http://venturebeat.com/2012/10/17/android-smartphones-now-have-majority-mobile-web-traffic-share/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://venturebeat.com/2012/10/17/android-smartphones-now-have-majority-mobile-web-traffic-share/</a></p>
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		By: Si Chen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Si Chen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.opensourcestrategies.com/2012/12/04/has-google-android-open-source-business-model-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1947&quot;&gt;biddy&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, Android has always had impressive market share numbers, but if they aren&#039;t generating web traffic, then they aren&#039;t making Google money.  This is the really important idea: the key for Google is web traffic, not handset market share.  A business strategy which costs Google to develop Android but only makes money for Samsung (handsets), AT&amp;T (service contracts), not to mention competitors like Amazon, is a failure.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.opensourcestrategies.com/2012/12/04/has-google-android-open-source-business-model-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1947">biddy</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, Android has always had impressive market share numbers, but if they aren&#8217;t generating web traffic, then they aren&#8217;t making Google money.  This is the really important idea: the key for Google is web traffic, not handset market share.  A business strategy which costs Google to develop Android but only makes money for Samsung (handsets), AT&#038;T (service contracts), not to mention competitors like Amazon, is a failure.</p>
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		By: Si Chen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Si Chen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 18:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.opensourcestrategies.com/2012/12/04/has-google-android-open-source-business-model-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1945&quot;&gt;Dror Harari&lt;/a&gt;.

Sure, if you have other numbers please share them with us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.opensourcestrategies.com/2012/12/04/has-google-android-open-source-business-model-failed/comment-page-1/#comment-1945">Dror Harari</a>.</p>
<p>Sure, if you have other numbers please share them with us.</p>
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		By: biddy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[biddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 09:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This article is making very confusing assumptions and conclusions based on a single WSJ article.

First of all you&#039;re conflating a statistic that deals specifically with tablet traffic, and secondly you are using that tablet traffic statistic to declare Android a failed Google strategy in terms of mobile devices generally. You confuse things further by stating that Android was to &quot;slay Apple&#039;s mighty iPhone.&quot; Seems like a good point to share some market share information for smartphones, no? The rest of the article seems to be speculation based upon poorly conceived and forgone conclusions.

Android is a mobile operating system, furthermore, mobile device traffic is not exclusively from tablet computers. In fact, smartphones account for 70% of all mobile devices in the U.S. Android enjoys a 75% smartphone market share worldwide and 54% in the U.S. 

Google&#039;s dominance in the software and advertising arena is what has allowed them to make the leap to hardware. How one can conflate this as a failed &quot;mobile devices&quot; open source strategy while citing a single statistic on tablet traffic alone boggles the mind. 

Please do not presume to be an expert on open source strategies if you can&#039;t even distinguish mobile device usage numbers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is making very confusing assumptions and conclusions based on a single WSJ article.</p>
<p>First of all you&#8217;re conflating a statistic that deals specifically with tablet traffic, and secondly you are using that tablet traffic statistic to declare Android a failed Google strategy in terms of mobile devices generally. You confuse things further by stating that Android was to &#8220;slay Apple&#8217;s mighty iPhone.&#8221; Seems like a good point to share some market share information for smartphones, no? The rest of the article seems to be speculation based upon poorly conceived and forgone conclusions.</p>
<p>Android is a mobile operating system, furthermore, mobile device traffic is not exclusively from tablet computers. In fact, smartphones account for 70% of all mobile devices in the U.S. Android enjoys a 75% smartphone market share worldwide and 54% in the U.S. </p>
<p>Google&#8217;s dominance in the software and advertising arena is what has allowed them to make the leap to hardware. How one can conflate this as a failed &#8220;mobile devices&#8221; open source strategy while citing a single statistic on tablet traffic alone boggles the mind. </p>
<p>Please do not presume to be an expert on open source strategies if you can&#8217;t even distinguish mobile device usage numbers.</p>
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		By: Links 6/12/2012: White House on FOSS, Drones Backlash Grows &#124; Techrights		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Links 6/12/2012: White House on FOSS, Drones Backlash Grows &#124; Techrights]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 04:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] Has Google Android’s Open Source Business Model Failed? Yesterday’s WSJ.com video “Tablet Wars: How Are People Using Tablets?” had a shocking statistic: 98% of the web traffic from tablets comes from Apple’s iPad. Further, most of mobile commerce is from Apple’s iPhone: [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Has Google Android’s Open Source Business Model Failed? Yesterday’s WSJ.com video “Tablet Wars: How Are People Using Tablets?” had a shocking statistic: 98% of the web traffic from tablets comes from Apple’s iPad. Further, most of mobile commerce is from Apple’s iPhone: [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Dror Harari		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dror Harari]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One may also argue that the 98% number looks utterly contrived.  It just does not make any sense. I would not at all be surprised to learn that whomever made that study used a logic like:

if user-agent contains &quot;Safari&quot; then count 1 for iPAD
else if user-agent contains &quot;Chrome&quot; then count 1 for Android\
else ...

Number don&#039;t lie (unless you got them wrong...)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One may also argue that the 98% number looks utterly contrived.  It just does not make any sense. I would not at all be surprised to learn that whomever made that study used a logic like:</p>
<p>if user-agent contains &#8220;Safari&#8221; then count 1 for iPAD<br />
else if user-agent contains &#8220;Chrome&#8221; then count 1 for Android\<br />
else &#8230;</p>
<p>Number don&#8217;t lie (unless you got them wrong&#8230;)</p>
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		By: Amedar Consulting Group		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amedar Consulting Group]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 23:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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